Debate Announcement: Chris Date vs. Joshua Whipps on Annihilationism

What does the Bible teach is the nature of eternal punishment? To answer that question, Chris Date, host of the Theopologetics podcast, goes toe to toe with Joshua Whipps, creator of the Razor’s Kiss blog and author at Choosing Hats. Dee Dee Warren, friend to Chris and host of The Preterist Podcast, moderates. Tentatively scheduled for the June, 2012 timeframe, finalized details are below.

Be sure to email Dee Dee at preteristpodcast@gmail.com if you want to pose a question to either participant. The debate will be pre-recorded, so Dee Dee will be asking questions on behalf of those who send them to her in advance. Make sure to specify which participant you would like asked your question; he will have 2.5 minutes to answer, and his opponent will have 60 seconds to follow up.

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Propitiation and Final Punishment

Having had every desire not to accept annihilationism/conditionalism, I believe that over the course of the past year or so during which I “converted,” I’ve honestly sought out the best arguments I could find in support of the traditional view of hell (and found them lacking). At this point, I don’t often encounter a challenge I haven’t heard in some form before. Occasionally I’ve heard it claimed that annihilation means there’s another sacrifice for sins besides Christ’s, which hasn’t particularly surprised me.

Recently, however, I encountered an argument I hadn’t seen before, but which is somewhat related to the idea of Christ’s sacrifice. I wrote about it here, clearly refuting the argument that the Levitical animal sacrifices, repeated ad infinitum until Christ’s sacrifice ended them, means the death of an annihilated sinner can’t satisfy the punitive demands of the Law. The author of that argument and I discussed it in the comments thread of that post, and while at one point it seemed to me that he believes annihilation would, in fact, mean there’s another sacrifice for sin, having gone over that conversation multiple times I’m no longer certain.

Just in case, and because I’m not sure I’ve clearly addressed the occasional traditionalist claim that annihilation is another sacrifice for sins besides that of Christ, I think it’s worth my time to explain why it most definitely is not. Following that, I’ll again explain why the repeated Levitical sacrifices do not prove that a sinner’s annihilation cannot satisfy the punitive demands of the Law. And it all begins with understanding the concept of propitiation.

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No End to the Bloodshed: Annihilationism Refuted?

Hiram Diaz, with whom I debated the nature of eternal punishment back in December, recently posted a question on his Facebook page. He later indicated in the comments thread that his question leads to a refutation of annihilationism, based on the insufficiency of repeated Levitical sacrifices to satisfy the punitive demands of the Law, as described in Hebrews 7. Once it is formulated clearly in the form of a syllogism, however, the insufficiency of his argument to challenge annihilationism becomes clear.

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Time Travel, Arminianism and Libertarian Free Will

Just a few minutes ago I hung up the phone, having had a rousing theological discussion with my best friend and discipler. He called to ask me my thoughts on Open Theism, as he’s currently researching for a paper he has to write on the topic, and at one point I made the provocative statement that, although I find Open Theism absurd on multiple levels, I think it is more consistent than Arminianism. By the time the call was over, I had add a new an interesting time travel analogy on my hands, which further convinces me of Calvinism, and which I thought I’d share with you.

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He Breathed on Them…

Originally posted October 17th, 2010. Having finished moving over the content from Podbean to the new web host, it’s time to begin moving over the much older content from Blogger. Whereas with the podcast feed I wanted to recreate it with the original publish dates and everything, I’ve decided I’ll just periodically reach into the Blogger archive and post something I think was valuable enough to republish here. Enjoy this first one!

Pentecostals and some proponents of baptismal regeneration believe baptism in the Holy Spirit is something different from, above and beyond, the saving, indwelling of the Holy Spirit. In an attempt to demonstrate this, they’ll often argue that the Apostles received the Holy Spirit well before Pentecost. Thus, they insist, the baptism in the Holy Spirit which they experienced at Pentecost must be something different from, something more than, the receiving of the Holy Spirit which they already experienced. This is, in fact, not the case, as the Word of God demonstrates.

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Coming Up: Eastern Orthodoxy / Infant Baptism Debate

Next up on the Theopologetics podcast: what will be the seventh Theopologetics Debate, this time on infant baptism between a credobaptist Protestant and an Eastern Orthodox theologian. Jamin Hübner, founder of www.RealApologetics.org and author of The Saving Grace of God, Light Up the Darkness, and The Portable Presuppositionalist, goes toe to toe with Eastern Orthodox Rev. Pr. Laurent Cleenewerck, editor of The Eastern / Greek Orthodox New Testament and faculty member at EUCLID and Humboldt State University.

Be sure to email me at chris@theopologetics.com if you want to pose a question to either participant! Make sure to tell me to whom you wish the question directed.

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Clutching at Straws, Indeed!

After my recent appearance on the Unbelievable? radio program with Justin Brierley, a listener of Justin’s, named Paul, wrote a blog post entitled “Clutching at Straws,” arguing against the case I made. I responded to his blog post in one of my recent episodes, as well as via email. He wrote me back, to which I am presently working on a response. But in a more recent post, I think this blogger demonstrates that it is he (and fellow traditionalists) who are the ones clutching at straws.

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Episode 82: Tradition

Debate topic: “Affirming Sola Scriptura: Scripture is the only infallible rule of doctrine and practice for Christians today.” Rob Bowman, Director of Research at The Institute for Religious Research, affirms. Eastern Orthodox Rev. Pr. Laurent Cleenewerck, editor of The Eastern / Greek Orthodox New Testament, denies. Moderated by Chris Date. This episode contains part two of the debate, including cross-examination, closing statements and listener Q&A; listen to episode 81, “Sola Scriptura,” for part one’s opening arguments and rebuttals.

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According to Jesus: No Rest for the Wicked

I was recently contacted by a Dr. Ean Theron who, having somewhere learned of my newfound belief in annihilationism, asked if I had read Dr. Robert Morey’s Death and the Afterlife. This began a still ongoing email exchange, the direction of which is not yet clear. But I did a search for his name online and came across his recently-published book, According to Jesus: The Theology of Christ, which is claimed to refute annihilationism. Sincerely hoping (but not expecting) to find something new, I purchased the Kindle version for $3 with some of my very first ministry donation (Thanks! You know who you are!), and took note of those passages which allege to challenge my view. What follows is my response to Dr. Theron’s arguments.

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Episode 81: Sola Scriptura

Debate topic: “Affirming Sola Scriptura: Scripture is the only infallible rule of doctrine and practice for Christians today.” Rob Bowman, Director of Research at The Institute for Religious Research, affirms. Eastern Orthodox Rev. Pr. Laurent Cleenewerck, editor of The Eastern / Greek Orthodox New Testament, denies. Moderated by Chris Date. This episode contains part one of the debate, including opening arguments and rebuttals; listen to episode 82, “Tradition,” for part two’s cross-examination, closing arguments and listener Q&A.

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